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hey how you doing everybody how you

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doing jay i'm doing good how are you i'm

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very good man i'm excited uh today we

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got a science-minded guy a member of the

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scientific coalition for uap studies

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very well known uh and we touched on a

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lot of different topics it's gonna be a

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all right here we are boy i gotta tell

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you jay i love that new video intro that

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we're running man that thing is awesome

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took a little bit of time from our uh

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our video guy but uh was well worth it

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so yeah no i i think he was well worth

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the money we spent on him anyways yeah

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what are we what are we paying him right

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now

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nothing i think all right well tell him

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he can go ahead and double that

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great job okay fair enough i want to get

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right into it today we have an esteemed

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guest with us he is a board member of

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the scientific coalition of uap studies

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uh he's also one of the directors of pr

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gentlemen has appeared on many

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television programs

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podcasts you've seen them on tv you've

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seen them on the internet and he's a

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good friend of the show so we want to

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welcome mr alejandro rojas

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hello thank you thanks for having me

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thanks for being here so uh for those of

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our viewers and listeners that don't

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quite know who you are maybe give us a

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little bit about your background and uh

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what got you into paranormal and uap

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type research yeah you know what uh

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they're actually at the seu website

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explorersu.org our latest journal has an

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interview that one of my colleagues did

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with me so you can really get my

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background in there

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if you want more but otherwise you know

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i have i got the bug for this topic in

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journalism school um you know i noticed

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that there's some credible stuff out

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there that's not being covered i felt

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that it wasn't being covered as we would

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cover any normal topic so i picked up

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the beat uh

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along the way

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got involved with mufon i lived by

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headquarters so i was uh one of their

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functional directors and in their board

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meetings and

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their spokesperson for a period of time

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in like the early 2000s

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and then got a job with this uh

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openminds tv this guy who wanted to

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start a website and figure out what's

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going on with ufos

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we did kind of a newsy type of thing

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then got eventually got involved with

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now i'm working for a software company

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enigma labs where we're developing an

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app and some tools

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to be able to analyze uap exciting data

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to try to figure this out so it's a

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really exciting project

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great and this is project

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is this something that's going to be

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global as a project or it's more

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definitely u.s centric right now and for

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a couple reasons one because we're here

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that the us has done the most you know

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there's we've had the most organizations

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we've had you know a lot of information

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gathering people don't realize you know

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sure there have been some secrets but

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our government has actually released the

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most ufo documents in any country in the

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world so the government has a lot of

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information so um so it for that reason

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it is and it gets a little more more

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difficult to get out our intentions are

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to be global in nature we do have some

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investigator as well with mufon for for

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best cases that you've had that really

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the phenomenon for you but sort of gave

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weird you know getting introduction

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introduced to kind of the weird so to

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start with the first you know um i

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decided i need to talk to witnesses i

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had read just about every book i could

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get my hands on including you know old

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historical books uh and

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so i was like you know it's about time

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luckily mufon headquarters i turned out

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was nearby where i lived uh the

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international headquarters so i got to

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meet john schussler who was the director

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he's been a great mentor of mine

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very first case i had was a

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security officer and i cite this case a

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lot because i think it's a great example

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of why this should be taken seriously um

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he was doing security at a bank near

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where i worked actually in about

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lakewood colorado under

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lookout mountain so people are very

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familiar with that you know west of town

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everything if you live in denver so

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everybody knows lookout

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route that goes over lookout well this

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guy was a security officer just fresh

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from iraq and he was noticing this

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object above lookout mountain kind of

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state to notice with your surroundings

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look for and report any uh

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potential issues

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so he was keeping an eye on it and after

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20 minutes where it was still there and

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commercial airlines were flying fairly

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close to it he called the faa they said

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we don't care we don't do ufos he called

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the police he called a bunch of

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different places until finally and i

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think it was uh the police department

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referred him to move on and so he called

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diligence i knew what they were going to

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say i had done that before and they say

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we don't investigate uap and i was like

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other reports like that during that

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period of time and they did say they

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looked into it and didn't have any but

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uh i think this one was eye-opening to

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if someone from iraq you know a soldier

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from iraq is reporting a potential

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that would be a big deal but nobody

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cares he called the airport he called fa

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nobody wanted to hear it that is

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kind of eye-opening but it was a perfect

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example of why this topic should be

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taken seriously and luckily in today's

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world at least the defense department

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that was irrational that was silly

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just how irrational and weird that was

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that faa or an airport wouldn't be

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paying attention to the safety of a

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commercial airline so that was a good

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case the other one was i think just

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because i was open and i you know i'd

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listen to people i started having people

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come to me claiming that they were

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having alien abduction experiences

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were people that i typically uh often

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honest uh that topic and that idea

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been in the same place the entire time

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since then in other words uh it's hard

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to figure anything out i would say i've

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done some investigation but it doesn't

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go anywhere um beyond kind of like

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um so i don't know what to do with that

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it should be taken seriously just

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be experiencing genuine trauma from

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involvement which is

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obviously has huge implications so um

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yeah that was another weird one i wasn't

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prepared to take that you know to really

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go there um but you kind of you guys

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probably uh might have feel the same

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that once you get involved with this

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stuff it's kind of impossible not to go

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been the case for for a lot of uh

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different guests that we've had on

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at first for myself anyways i was quite

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narrow-minded i thought you know no it

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has to be just ufos aliens all the other

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cryptid stuff didn't make any sense you

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know i didn't believe in the bigfoot

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stuff and even though i live right by

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harrison hot springs which is like you

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now i'm just like i i it's it keeps

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seeping in like i keep seeing it over

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and over again and i don't know about

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you but i

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that seems to be like a lot of our

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guests mentioned different things like

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uh you know seeing cryptids and

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different beings and entities so yeah

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even the big name like really big name

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guys like george knapp and guys like

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that who spent you know decades doing

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this kind of stuff they started off as

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nuts and bolts ufo guys and the more

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they learn about it and you're either

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gonna keep an ignorant opinion of no it

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can't be or you're gonna let some of

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that stuff in and go hey maybe this is

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crazier than we think maybe it's

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everything maybe it's interdimensional

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beings and visitors and time travelers

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like then you get into the world of

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cryptids and blue orbs and portals and

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everything else and everything we

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thought was sci-fi for the last 40 50

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years it's turning out that there may be

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getting more and more interesting so

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like you said alejandro it's you get

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hooked and uh if you're a science-minded

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person

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you want to find the solution to the

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problem even in like mathematics or

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anything else you want to know what it

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is and this kind of thing that it's like

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grabbing a fist full of sand you feel

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like you have it when you go to look

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there's no more sand so yeah exactly

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and that's how investigating that topic

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kind of feels um and you know and it's

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not even just if you want to or you get

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hooked it's like if you're looking into

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this topic you can't help um and i think

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the dod is dealing with this right now

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actually uh i my perception and i think

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what i see going on right now is that

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uh a lot of people

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are take a lot of putting a lot of stock

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in the word from people who have made uh

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this current kind of environment

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possible people like louis lozando who

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worked for the pentagon and came forward

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uh kind of a whistleblower

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chris mellon who of course worked for

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deputy

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director of intelligence type of work

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you know um

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very high level people

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uh and some of the people like they've

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worked with like jim simavan who worked

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for the cia or gary nolan who's a very

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esteemed you know professor out of uh

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stanford uh has his own lab that is very

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well you know regarded

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um these are people at you know those

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kind of upper echelons and those are the

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people who kind of brought all this

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forward and have been looking into this

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and have been uh taking this serious but

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these people themselves

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uh some of them believe they're

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experiencers they say i've experienced

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alien contact so

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um

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a lot of people i think take that as

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confirmation the government knows and i

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think that that's the wrong take i think

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the right take and this is where people

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get lost is the government's like us

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even you know similar to the ufo

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community it's just a bunch of people

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trying to figure stuff out do their jobs

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live their lives

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they're just as freaked out by all this

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as anybody else

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and but i think what's happening is

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they're

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the people that they relied on to create

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the awesomes who ran asap who created

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the uap task force under navy

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intelligence who have been involved with

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moving this along they uh are they kind

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of now have this baggage of being

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experiencers of looking into weirder

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stuff and i really see the dod trying to

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shake that off they're trying to we're

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not going to work with anybody in the

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past we're starting from square one and

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going forward i think that's what avi

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loge did with galileo that's what nasa

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is going to do and it makes sense in a

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way because you have to be responsible

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for the data that you're using and

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responsible for uh the the veracity of

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that data

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um and if it's somebody else's data it's

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hard to do that um

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thankfully you know

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they were the dod was told by congress

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look at the old stuff because we do have

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air force

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we do have a lot of good data from like

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the previous investigations

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you know a lot of people read condon and

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they say in fact the condon report

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helped create france's ufo investigation

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organization because they looked at it

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and said this is not an argument against

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researching this topic this is the best

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argument i've seen for researching this

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topic and france and others have acted

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uh that way in response to the condom

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report which was supposed to negate

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things so we've got to look a lot of

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data there

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but you know this this topic the

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experiencer thing still creeps into it i

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think that their reaction is going to be

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to shake it off i'm not sure uh it's

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probably wise um in some ways maybe not

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in others but

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uh

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it kind of demonstrates

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the struggle that's been here um to gain

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credibility for this topic and even now

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we're in a spot where

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if you're a scientist or you're a nasa

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guy working on this topic

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and you have been a closeted experiencer

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probably not a good time to reveal that

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probably which is kind of sad to say but

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we're not ready for it it would probably

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be better to wait maybe a decade wait

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till we have really concrete you know

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the credibility of this topic is solid

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because right now you know like what's

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happening to these other guys i think

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that you know they're kind of being

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pushed aside a little bit um which is

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sad because they've got the best

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information but at the same time

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there's that liability that they're

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experiencers

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i think there's more to it as well

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because if it was just about

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professionals and former military people

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coming forward the 2001 national press

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club hearings with stephen greer and all

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those high-level guys faa guys and

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everything else that would have done

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something big but it seems like you know

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the the new york times and the tic tac

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videos have spurted on more maybe it's

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because of tom delong and to the stars

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and there's a lot more media attention

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and maybe that's a good thing because it

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didn't really get too far in 2001 they

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gave them their you know 15 minutes and

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said okay thank you very much and they

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compartmentalized the way and you know

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we got on with life so it's more than

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just the the professionals coming

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forward i think we need to find

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either real evidence through the private

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sector uh rather than just relying on

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when's the government gonna tell us you

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know this is a 70 year old secret

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there's some implications for them

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acknowledging anything because then how

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do you stay plausible and say well we

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didn't know well you sure did know

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so i don't see it can it come from the

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military complex before it comes from

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the private sector that's just my

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opinion

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no i think you're right and and i'm kind

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of smiling because this allows me to get

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back to like the genius of chris mellon

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who kind of engineered all of this and

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if you don't mind i'll go through that

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real quick um

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and it came from different information

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and then interviews with him but um

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i mean that he saw this issue you know

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that there was all this information in

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the back there was all this stuff that

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people paid attention to i think the

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career conference there were two

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problems one uh was that he he wasn't

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careful he did bring some people that

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were too far that i believe probably are

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liars and charlatans but that's the

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minority i'm talking maybe one or two

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individuals

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the rest of those were high high quality

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people um so that kind of opens up the

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door for them to kind of

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get scared away a little

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and the media i don't think they knew

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what to do with it you know it was i

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think it was just kind of mind-blowing

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for everybody and everybody was like

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well what what is someone else gonna do

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with it um and it got dropped and nobody

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did anything with it i don't and it's

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because

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like this topic it's been a real hot

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potato um

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for anybody that has

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a lot of visibility to the public that

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needs to maintain credibility you know

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this isn't a topic anybody wants to

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touch

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dennis kucinich you know during that

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period of time got attached to it

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because shirley maclaine wrote in a book

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that he she he was there when they had a

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ufo sighting dennis kus kucinich uh

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agreed said yeah that's true uh he got

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made fun of and it hurt him

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you know running for president

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so at that time that's kind of how this

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was it was still

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too much of a hot potato but what chris

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mellon did he saw was a couple things

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that

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he needed to put up a lot of public

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pressure

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um for people to see the credibility in

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the topic and then to force some

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government agency to admit that they've

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been taking this seriously that they've

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been investigating this topic and that

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was his goal that's why he couples with

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tom delong who is you know a rock star

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that's why they you know get the tv show

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going that's why they go to the new york

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times and politico and all of the media

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and it worked like a charm because

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immediately you know you had the nimitz

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people coming forward and confirming all

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of this information

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and so it snowballed into this big thing

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and even before they expected the navy

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comes out and says yes we take this

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seriously

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that was a cue and that was the legal

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justification for um chris mellon then

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to go to his buddies in the armed

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services committee where he had worked

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for um in the past and say guys

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it's time you know the navy has said

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um

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that they take this seriously one have

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you been briefed on that

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and two

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do you think this is an important topic

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um and you need to get briefed to figure

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that out so at first there was some i

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think kind of vain political response

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that hey you guys didn't brief us on

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this what's going on i think you know in

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the military's defense many felt that

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there's not much to this so what what

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are we going to brief anybody on um

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but it happened and the briefings every

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senator who or

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congress person who's come out of a any

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of these classified briefings has come

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out saying this is very serious we need

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to take this very serious

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and so it was kind of that combination

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that strategy that chris millen had put

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together um and it worked like you know

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it would work perfectly even better i

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think than they had expected um so now

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we've got the congress super

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energized on this topic

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uh i'm more so i think than the dod

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expected and i think the dod is still

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kind of

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figuring out what to do um how serious

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do we take this

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you know what do we share with the

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public do we still want to try to get

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out of it because i think up until now

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they've been doing that they've been

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trying to wait it out and say hey is

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this news cycle going to end and then we

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can kind of let this go

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but i don't think they are going to get

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let go on this so we'll see what they do

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see i've always thought that um

554
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,440
if if they reveal that the uaps are real

555
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,080
and that these crafts are not from as

556
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:34,880
far as we can tell human-made

557
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:37,280
technologies

558
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,760
this opens the door to the possibility

559
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,840
that the alien abduction is or

560
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:43,679
phenomenon is real that the cattle

561
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,159
mutilation phenomenon is linked

562
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,080
that these orbs that people are seeing

563
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,760
and that you know have been reported

564
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:51,679
throughout the world especially within

565
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,640
the last 50 years uh in the 70s was

566
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,799
really common in uh forgot central

567
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,720
america

568
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,480
it gives possibility that all these

569
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,799
things are linked to this phenomenon and

570
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:04,320
that's why they're trying not to leak

571
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,440
that out

572
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,679
too fast let's just ease the public into

573
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:09,840
accepting that at least these crafts are

574
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,320
here then we'll get to the other stuff

575
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,760
that happens

576
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:15,200
it's not like we can do anything about

577
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,080
the alien abduction anyways right but

578
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,320
have you found that your belief in the

579
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,240
alien abduction case

580
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,080
has increased since you've been with

581
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,840
with mufonis are investigating and

582
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,080
people reaching out to you like as that

583
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,640
more solidified it that this one

584
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,159
is happening no

585
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,240
it hasn't and here's why

586
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,679
um

587
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,360
and this leads to the other question

588
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,159
that i didn't get to that you um

589
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,960
had asked which was where's the

590
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,200
information going to come from um and i

591
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:47,039
think that is the scientific community

592
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,400
it's not it's going to be from the

593
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,679
public it's not going to be from the

594
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,000
military because all of this to do like

595
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,360
i just went over and how he got the

596
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,840
military to talk even chris mellon wrote

597
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,400
hey i realized that this topic's going

598
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,480
to have to remain classified luckily

599
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,240
congress said no it doesn't have to be

600
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,240
we want a public end to this

601
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,600
but um

602
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,440
that information they've already said

603
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,600
what what they research and how is

604
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,520
classified so i don't think they're

605
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:12,480
going to be

606
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,360
and in some cases rightfully so

607
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,360
forthcoming with their findings and

608
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:21,360
their efforts so i think you're right

609
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,880
military that's not where we're going to

610
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,559
be able to get information but the

611
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,600
scientific community is and i think that

612
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:30,559
we've just got no science we've got very

613
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,679
little to know uh expertise who have

614
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,840
come to this topic and even if you look

615
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,480
at bigelow or

616
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,000
some of the other groups of scientists

617
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,600
out there even scu or the sse uh groups

618
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,039
of

619
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,480
scientists who have been willing to look

620
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:47,919
at these topics

621
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,080
it's still only one or two individuals

622
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,400
whereas in real science a paper goes out

623
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,080
and you have dozens of scientists

624
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,559
beating it up and you really get to the

625
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,120
to the meat of something we're only

626
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,799
starting to get there i think we're

627
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,240
starting now

628
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,919
where scientists are interested they're

629
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,559
going to start writing papers there's uh

630
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,960
data gathering and i think that's really

631
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,559
important because i think that's what

632
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:12,880
will lead us where we need to go and the

633
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,320
reason i say no as far as where i am i

634
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:19,200
try to stay agnostic on most topics or

635
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,159
at least

636
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,080
not come down on one side or another

637
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:24,960
because i don't want to taint myself

638
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,400
and what i found in this field um

639
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,080
just like lots of field of science

640
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,720
especially like space or astronomy is

641
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,799
that the answers turn out to be

642
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,640
something you never would have imagined

643
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,520
you know i never thought that z would be

644
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,760
the case before i found out that to be

645
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,919
the case i'm going on my podcast i'm

646
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,000
telling everybody knows he's not real

647
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,240
he's not that the answer turns out it's

648
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,039
easy answer so i mean um

649
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,000
we just never know so i'm open to either

650
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,960
side uh

651
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,679
but uh i'm still open uh yeah i still

652
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,520
haven't really said i'd come down

653
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,679
because i just want to keep that you

654
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,480
know curiosity that scientific kind of

655
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,039
curiosity to push that side of things

656
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:11,200
which like we do at scu

657
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:12,320
and

658
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,230
i think that's really exciting i think

659
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,000
we are headed in a good place that way

660
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,840
where the public is regardless of what

661
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,840
the government may or may not know the

662
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,679
public is finally going to start to get

663
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,360
some real answers and

664
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,200
and by the nature of science it'll come

665
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,760
out in bite sizes so if the answer turns

666
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,279
out to be abductions are real or

667
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,360
something really wild like that

668
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,600
um hopefully it will be slow to get

669
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,440
there kind of like you suggested even

670
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,679
just organically in the scientific

671
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,840
process of discovering that because

672
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,600
that's going to be a

673
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,919
very very difficult thing for uh

674
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,000
government and public to realize should

675
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,400
that you know be the case

676
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,720
it's interesting to note that most of

677
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,640
the big name people that we interview

678
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,039
have all graduated to this sort of

679
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,279
humble opinion of yeah i used to think

680
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,360
used to be really opinionated

681
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,600
now i'm just not so sure and i'm open to

682
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,279
anything and you know if you're in the

683
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,520
world of ufo twitter or anything social

684
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,600
media related it's a lot of infighting

685
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,440
and a lot of really opinionated people

686
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,440
and say like you're an idiot it's

687
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,520
definitely this and it's definitely not

688
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,440
that which we have to be careful of

689
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,840
because a this is above our pay grade

690
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,840
anyway we're trying to understand a much

691
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,080
more civilized either

692
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,480
race or just a phenomenon even if it's

693
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,799
atmospheric or you know environmental

694
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,960
it's above our pay grade so it becomes

695
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,520
very dangerous when you start making

696
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,480
you know um for sure statements with

697
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,000
like you said no evidence we really

698
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,520
don't have anything whatever the

699
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,600
government has hasn't been released in

700
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,799
full so it's just anybody's best guess

701
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,960
so anything short of hey what's your

702
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,279
opinion and i i think that's you know

703
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,600
necessary for the full picture anything

704
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,480
short of that cooperation is counter

705
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,480
this movement it's not pro movement

706
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,480
because you're not getting anywhere

707
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,919
fighting with people

708
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,840
and just you know making yourself look

709
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,159
stupid online it needs to be more of a

710
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,600
unified

711
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,159
front and again if we're studying a

712
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,159
civilization that's made it hundreds of

713
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,600
thousands of years or millions of years

714
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,279
longer than us they didn't get there by

715
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,039
killing each other and by infighting

716
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,720
they got there by using their collective

717
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,000
resources

718
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,880
for the betterment of everyone so it's

719
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,080
it's refreshing that you have that

720
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,320
opinion and most of our guests um but i

721
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,919
think we all need to take a page out of

722
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,240
that book and say we really don't know

723
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,000
it would be cool if it was this i hope

724
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,400
if it's this but yeah i don't know and

725
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:36,480
anything we say today we might look back

726
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,080
in two years and be like man i was an

727
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,240
idiot how could i believe that now

728
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,960
knowing what i know so we need to keep a

729
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,039
low keel on that type of thing

730
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,480
yeah it comes back to data and

731
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,799
information you know um i

732
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,279
may be skeptical of your point of view

733
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,679
but at the same time i may have a point

734
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:55,919
of view that is not um you know

735
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,120
defendable either sure so uh you know

736
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,760
and i think we have to realize that or i

737
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,279
may at least be able to share well

738
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,200
here's the data i have that i'm making

739
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,360
my opinion on take a look and see what

740
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,440
you think you know that's the way the

741
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,919
conversations should be going um and

742
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,600
they do add a lot of levels which is

743
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,919
really exciting but certainly ufo

744
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:18,080
twitter gets overtaken by people who

745
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,440
like you say are really staunch about

746
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,120
their own point of view and aren't open

747
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,360
to others and that's not how you you

748
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,720
know that's not how we're going to

749
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,320
discover things or you're going to prove

750
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,960
your point share information show us

751
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,279
yeah yeah well that was the whole point

752
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,039
too of you know

753
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,360
the podcast was to learn

754
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,840
from people right and we've learned so

755
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,320
far a lot of stuff because we're keeping

756
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,159
an open mind about it

757
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,720
and we're not rejecting you know guests

758
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,080
just because they've had a different

759
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,520
point of view than the last guest that

760
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,159
we've had on and you know we're learning

761
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,679
from you as much as we're learning from

762
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,440
everybody else and that's the thing is

763
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,200
that we should be open

764
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,960
to this subject and say you know it's

765
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,120
not you know i've definitely said i

766
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,399
would recticuli b or a or whatever

767
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,840
beings that are here and that's it

768
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,679
that's the end of it no no it's the tall

769
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,720
whites

770
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,399
we don't know it could be all of the

771
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,320
above which i keep mentioning you know

772
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:12,320
it could be the case that we're dealing

773
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,200
with

774
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,600
multitude of different things which then

775
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,039
i could understand why the government

776
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,279
would be whoa whoa let's you know ease

777
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,440
the public into this because it's a big

778
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,880
deal

779
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,679
yeah

780
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,000
and you know

781
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,399
what i there's a scientific american

782
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,200
article that kind of made the same um

783
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,120
argument is that

784
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,720
looking into these things that we

785
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,720
weren't looking into because of this

786
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,640
irrational taboo

787
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,039
means that we were not trying to

788
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,240
investigate genuine anomalous um you

789
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,200
know sightings uh reports

790
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:49,600
and that would be like you kind of had

791
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,480
mentioned earlier even meteorological or

792
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,880
meteorological weather kind of anomalies

793
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,039
like tear in the sky you know they think

794
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,960
that that wasn't necessarily a portal

795
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,799
they think that might be something no

796
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,960
one's seen weather do before and if

797
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:04,640
that's the case that's science that's a

798
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,760
scientific discovery and i think that uh

799
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,159
even if you are of the perspective that

800
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,360
you know aliens aren't coming here then

801
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,039
you know you still should be interested

802
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,120
in looking into this because that would

803
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,440
mean that you would agree

804
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:22,080
there are answers to be discovered there

805
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,360
and we don't you don't have to worry

806
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,200
about your worldview being destroyed

807
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,640
because we're not going to find aliens

808
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,799
anyway so whatever it is we'll find is

809
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,559
going to be a scientific discovery so

810
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,399
even if you're skeptical you should want

811
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,640
to look into all of this and i think

812
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,480
that's a real exciting aspect really i

813
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,120
think it's exciting that um and it says

814
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,559
something to those of us who didn't

815
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,559
agree with that you know condon report

816
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,640
conclusion which is a lot of people and

817
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,720
a lot of scientists uh

818
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,600
that uh there was there is something to

819
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,000
be learned and i think those discoveries

820
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,440
are going to be interesting you know we

821
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,039
may be able to finally

822
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,679
figure out if there is ball plasma or if

823
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,760
uh you know

824
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,440
the nature of some of this other stuff

825
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:03,440
uh i think that's exciting

826
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,399
yeah

827
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,600
and if we could get closer to them and

828
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,320
even if it is intelligence can we

829
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:12,240
communicate with them that's that's

830
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,919
without military

831
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,000
intervention not sending jets you know

832
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:19,039
with weapons attached to it to say hello

833
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,240
because i think that's a little bit

834
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,880
aggressive but can we communicate with

835
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,480
whatever that's out there that'd be

836
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,559
great that'd be uh we haven't figured

837
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:29,039
that out yet i guess just the admittance

838
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,480
that these things are here i guess is

839
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,320
step number one we're still ways away

840
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,640
from trying to actually make

841
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,240
contact or anything with them or get

842
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:38,640
close to them because obviously we can't

843
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,919
they're way too fast way too fast yeah

844
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,080
we actually had one of our viewers who

845
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,520
sent me a private message and he says

846
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,880
hey when you get a guest on next time

847
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,320
try asking them something that hasn't

848
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,080
really been asked before so his

849
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,240
perspective is that whenever we discuss

850
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,799
you know tic tacs or uaps everybody

851
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,799
always talks about their characteristics

852
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,720
how they behave how they're observed the

853
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,640
speeds and everything else but his

854
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,200
thoughts are is anybody doing work on

855
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,600
perhaps how they're communicating so

856
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,039
like for example with the tic tac

857
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,120
incident there was apparently like a

858
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,880
mother ship under the water that these

859
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,880
things were you know somehow

860
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,880
communicating with do you think there

861
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:18,480
would be a way to

862
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,279
pick up on that communication and my

863
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,200
initial thought was well if it's

864
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,200
conscious base which it seems to be like

865
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,880
you think and you're here you think and

866
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,039
you're there how does anybody intercept

867
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,120
that but his perspective and it seems

868
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,480
like a science-minded guy that would

869
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,159
have that kind of a question right like

870
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,519
why are you spending so much time

871
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,919
focusing on their characteristics spend

872
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,480
more time on how do they actually run

873
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,440
like can we pick up rf frequencies or

874
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,120
something they're emitting that would

875
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,880
maybe be a better indicator than just

876
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,720
waiting for them to happen and catch it

877
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,960
on camera maybe there's other things

878
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,120
we're not we're not pointing instruments

879
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,559
at that we should be

880
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,480
yeah well that's what's really exciting

881
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,240
about the science in this step because

882
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,840
that's what scientists that's how they

883
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:02,240
think and that's what they're doing so

884
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,519
those are sap thirds those uh defense

885
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,279
intelligence reports

886
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,799
that uh the asap group produced and in

887
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,120
fact the military is kind of giving the

888
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,799
impression that that that's all they did

889
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,399
we just asked them to write these papers

890
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,320
that's it we don't know what else they

891
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,919
did if they were doing paranormal

892
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,159
research we don't know about that it you

893
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:23,760
know that's in debate that's not what

894
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,760
likatsky who ran the things claims but

895
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,000
those reports are exactly doing what

896
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,320
he's suggesting they're like okay if

897
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,120
they're doing all of these things we

898
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,000
think we're observing how do they do it

899
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,440
and that's what those papers are they're

900
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,000
theoretical scientific papers on how

901
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,399
they may be doing this or that

902
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,240
and there are a lot of scientists doing

903
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,840
that sort of work and we're doing a lot

904
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,960
of that sort of thing at seu

905
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,080
is

906
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,480
that sort of thing as well and even if

907
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,360
you get to the telepathy or you know

908
00:33:03,029 --> 00:32:59,840
being able to to speak mind to mind

909
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,039
that's science so even at you know even

910
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,080
for decades scientists across the world

911
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,559
take that as a science question because

912
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,399
there have to be some kind of mechanics

913
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,679
to it so what how is that signal or

914
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,760
thought getting from me to you what is

915
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,760
the science of thoughts what is the

916
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,000
matter of thoughts how do you figure

917
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,600
that out how do you figure out how

918
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,519
they're communicating back and forth i

919
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,960
mean there's scientists that believe we

920
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,360
can figure that sort of thing out so all

921
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,279
of it is a science that you know they

922
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,080
believe we could possibly tap into

923
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,799
so that's what's really exciting is

924
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,960
people coming to you know

925
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,440
speculating along those lines and

926
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,480
and um doing testing to figure that out

927
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,399
and that's the kind of thing that drives

928
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:46,880
then the types of

929
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,000
sensors that we need to use like they

930
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,840
put on the top of the harvard

931
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,279
observatory

932
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,000
just recently with project galileo

933
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,399
is you know they're they're thinking

934
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,720
about just like we are at scu

935
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,880
what are what's the type of information

936
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,519
we need a video alone is not going to be

937
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,360
evidence of anything anomalous there's

938
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,679
just not enough data there so how much

939
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,639
data do we need we need ir you know as

940
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,399
much as possible

941
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,960
radar and setting that threshold and

942
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,960
then coming up with okay well how do we

943
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,599
get that data and like tear in the sky

944
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,919
that documentary with the uapx guys many

945
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:26,240
of those are seo guys as well you know

946
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:27,119
um

947
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,399
that's what they did they were like

948
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,320
here's this stuff we need so they

949
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:32,000
gathered all those instruments and put

950
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,359
them on the roof and you see they're

951
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,359
among tons of stuff

952
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,839
to gather as much information as you can

953
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,280
the hard part is going through and

954
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,760
analyzing that information afterwards

955
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,560
but

956
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,480
that's what's starting to happen is you

957
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,399
know somebody thinking you know if

958
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,760
they're communicating they could be

959
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,440
communicating on a quantum level and

960
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,040
quantum communication is a real thing

961
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,200
even the military is like looking into i

962
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,720
don't get it at all it's way above my

963
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,879
head but um

964
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,880
that if they're doing this then we need

965
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,440
to have a meter you know along with it

966
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,920
so if we catch our video we're also

967
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,200
seeing if we're getting this type of

968
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,280
like quantum signature

969
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,960
uh to be able to prove there's a

970
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,440
relation so that's what's driving all of

971
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,599
that sort of stuff so it's really

972
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,520
exciting that all of this is happening

973
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,280
we actually had those guys on the show

974
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,960
we had well caroline corey because she

975
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,960
produced the movie but uh david altman

976
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,680
and david mason two of her um stars from

977
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,680
the movie and dave mason is this

978
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,480
brilliant mind that was taking state of

979
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,040
the art electronics and tweaking them

980
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,280
and rewiring them to be able to view

981
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,200
different things so he basically took

982
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,880
telescopes that could see a light in the

983
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,760
sky

984
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,160
transfer the light form into like an

985
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,720
audio waveform so it gives a it gives

986
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,599
that light a unique acoustic signature

987
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,520
so very easily you could say okay that's

988
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,480
a 747 because that light will always

989
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,800
have that same waveform so you know we

990
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,800
have people using the brilliant mind

991
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,560
trying to do exactly that

992
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,800
create instrumentation that you can

993
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,480
catch something one day to get that

994
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,240
irrefutable evidence because a picture

995
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,800
is just a picture it could be a defect

996
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,720
in the lens or a lighting you know

997
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,320
illusion it could everybody has a

998
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,040
million and one ways to poo poo on your

999
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,400
photo your video

1000
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,920
i mean hell we've had photos and videos

1001
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,760
for 70 years none of it's been

1002
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,839
conclusive enough that we can also agree

1003
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:20,079
that yeah that's the real deal

1004
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,359
and i'm sure there have been some real

1005
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,280
deal videos that people have seen and

1006
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,880
you know they got they got trashed as

1007
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,200
well but uh you know the science mind is

1008
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,119
where things are gonna go quantum

1009
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,119
physics you know as uh out there as it

1010
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,280
used to seem the more into it you get

1011
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,040
the more plausible all this becomes you

1012
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,720
know including things like time travel

1013
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,119
and everything else so you know science

1014
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,000
and spirituality or the theory of the

1015
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,560
unknown is closer than ever

1016
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,800
and one is making it possible for the

1017
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,880
other to exist so i think we're getting

1018
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,359
closer with the skeptics and you know

1019
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,640
the believers

1020
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,200
because if we can find a scientific link

1021
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,040
science is proven repeatable

1022
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,160
demonstratable documentable so if you

1023
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,320
can get something that's really the real

1024
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,760
nuts and bolts

1025
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,839
i guess aside from an alien body but i'm

1026
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,200
sure people would even refute it's not

1027
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,079
real on that and either too right so um

1028
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,680
we do have to be focused on that science

1029
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,640
for sure

1030
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,520
yeah

1031
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,920
i want to say if it's okay plug uh my

1032
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,280
girlfriend's conference the

1033
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:19,680
international ufo congress

1034
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,359
um what's your girlfriend

1035
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,200
yeah karen karen

1036
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:28,079
okay so yeah that's october 12th through

1037
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,720
the 16th

1038
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,800
ufocongress.com is a website and

1039
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,000
they're going to have a lot of people

1040
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,119
you know bryce abel ben hansen dr

1041
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,640
michael masters

1042
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,720
who's uh works with the seo i'm not sure

1043
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,240
if you've had him but he has it two

1044
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,320
years ago he was on our show yeah okay

1045
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,079
great i thought we got them all baby we

1046
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,680
get all the big

1047
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,440
so james fox is going to be premiering

1048
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,280
his new movie there

1049
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,520
um yeah we've got a lot of really cool

1050
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:55,119
stuff yeah i'm looking forward to seeing

1051
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,400
that movie as well

1052
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,160
yeah he's he's committed to come on our

1053
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,560
show as soon as the movie was done so

1054
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,320
movie's done now james let's get on it

1055
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,280
buddy we need you on the show

1056
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,440
so with uh den of geeks

1057
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,599
or den of geek i should say uh how did

1058
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,880
that get started how did you get

1059
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:12,560
involved with that

1060
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,760
so with openmind uh luckily

1061
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:17,599
because you know we're one of the few

1062
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,560
outlets

1063
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,200
out there i think we were maybe the only

1064
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,320
outlet committed to the topic that was

1065
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,560
doing their best to be journalistically

1066
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,880
rigorous you know like any other

1067
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:30,560
uh paper out there

1068
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,920
and um so we got a lot of attention from

1069
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,000
other media outlets and we worked with

1070
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,839
them quite a bit so

1071
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:39,680
um that's how i got to know a lot of

1072
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:43,040
these people uh bryce abel in fact was

1073
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,320
kind of along those lines and so um

1074
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,400
so i started getting invited to national

1075
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,160
geographic stuff i especially had a

1076
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,000
great relationship with them some sony

1077
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:55,920
stuff and they were doing things like

1078
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:59,200
inviting freelancers on trips and things

1079
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,320
to get to know kind of the topics better

1080
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,880
and so uh den of geek would get invited

1081
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,960
on those as well so some pretty cool

1082
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,680
stuff like uh the editor that i worked

1083
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,839
with who invited me to

1084
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:14,160
then freelance write with den of geek he

1085
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,160
was with me on a trip to uh turkey

1086
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,160
where we went to these studios for the

1087
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,720
filming of mars at

1088
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,800
miniseries that was kind of half

1089
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,119
documentary and then half

1090
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,640
you know fiction

1091
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,800
drama and it was really cool it's a

1092
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,720
really cool show so we got to hang out

1093
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,280
there with the actors and actresses um

1094
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,599
that was fun because one of the actors

1095
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,480
in that was is also in resident alien

1096
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,000
i'm not sure if you guys are watching it

1097
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,960
but it's hilarious it's really good

1098
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,560
in our backyard actually

1099
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,720
yeah he was he's the mayor he was also

1100
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,440
in that mars series but yeah so that's

1101
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,760
how we got to know each other um and

1102
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,520
they just were really into the topic

1103
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,520
they kept inviting me to write about the

1104
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,240
topic and uh i'm into sci-fi

1105
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,240
so i started writing you know some

1106
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,079
sci-fi stuff for them covering like the

1107
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,319
orville and stuff like that so

1108
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,480
and then covering stuff at comic-con

1109
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,560
with them and yeah so that's how it

1110
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,599
started

1111
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,240
um but i i'm pretty proud of the pieces

1112
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,440
that i wrote for them too because i

1113
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,200
really broke some news

1114
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,520
in some of those pieces um i think one

1115
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,480
of them is referenced in the lakatsky

1116
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,400
book

1117
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:27,040
so yeah so it was really fun working

1118
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,319
with those guys and i still work with

1119
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,079
them in fact you know i was hanging out

1120
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,800
with them at comic con just last month

1121
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,480
and they brought in the rock so i got a

1122
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,359
selfie with that the rock that is on my

1123
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,599
instagram the promise my thumbs partial

1124
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,280
the way into it like covers up about

1125
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,520
this picture but

1126
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,880
at least you didn't cut his head off

1127
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,319
with the height difference

1128
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,640
yeah i don't know i was ready for that

1129
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,200
it's definitely angled way up

1130
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,520
that's when you crop everything to just

1131
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,440
a smaller picture it's hard to crop in a

1132
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:57,119
head if it's not there though i don't

1133
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,030
like those little polaroid pictures when

1134
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,119
you would just get that bleed that would

1135
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,440
just like yeah fade away

1136
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,520
but yeah people went nuts when he came

1137
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,960
out i mean they went crazy so um luckily

1138
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,560
we knew he was coming but they kind of

1139
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,240
were surprising most of the other people

1140
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,480
so do you ever people are screaming

1141
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:20,480
everywhere but do you ever meet anybody

1142
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,160
famous that is a huge ufo buff oh yeah a

1143
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,560
lot a lot of actors and actresses are

1144
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:28,319
really into this topic because they're

1145
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,280
really

1146
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,599
a lot of them are pretty intelligent and

1147
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,760
a lot of them are just you know laid

1148
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,480
back

1149
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,640
yeah pretty cool people that you'd meet

1150
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,720
um

1151
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,839
and

1152
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:42,160
let's see who can i think of

1153
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,440
like two of the people that i've talked

1154
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,079
to the most were shatner and aykroyd

1155
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,079
those are my some of my favorites proud

1156
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,359
canadian boys yeah yeah dan aykroyd is

1157
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,920
so into the topic he just wanted to keep

1158
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,480
talking and talking and he was maybe

1159
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,079
from clearheads right when he made that

1160
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,240
movie in the 90s well he's been into

1161
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,560
paranormal since his grandpa i think it

1162
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,560
was his grandpa who was into the occult

1163
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,720
and ghost hunting and everything so you

1164
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,720
know like you the terms that he used in

1165
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,599
ghostbusters like emf reader and

1166
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,160
ectoplasm you know those are all terms

1167
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,240
that are used in real ghost hunting so

1168
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,079
he knew all of that from that so he's

1169
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,839
been into this and he was into the

1170
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,640
latest news like you know he wanted to

1171
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,079
talk about all the latest things going

1172
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,000
on i was asking him this wasn't long

1173
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,079
after chicago o'hare and there were

1174
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,920
rumors that he had one of the photos

1175
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,079
from chicago o'hare so

1176
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,800
um but yeah i was asking him he was up

1177
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,800
to speed on all the latest it was pretty

1178
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,920
incredible

1179
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,520
yeah i've seen him a few times different

1180
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,000
documentaries and different news stuff

1181
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,720
talking about uaps and ufos and

1182
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,040
the guys like an encyclopedia like yeah

1183
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,520
just list off dates and names and stuff

1184
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,280
so yeah he would actually be a good

1185
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,880
candidate like a good person for us to

1186
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,560
reach out to and try to get them on like

1187
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,240
be great to talk with them about you oh

1188
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,079
yeah my favorite is probably billy

1189
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,280
corgan though um just because

1190
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,359
i grew up with his music you know in

1191
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,359
college i was working for the radio

1192
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,440
station when a lot of that music was

1193
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,680
coming out right so it's like really you

1194
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,400
know big in my life and uh

1195
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,240
yeah that was really cool we'll meet

1196
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,000
with him and talk to him a bit about

1197
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,319
this uh wha what was did he have an

1198
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,920
experience or anything

1199
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:22,640
no so i was this was funny so i was at

1200
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,000
this conference in la that my girlfriend

1201
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:27,760
decided to get a booth there that we

1202
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,640
were running and it's like this huge

1203
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,280
metaphysical kind of uh fair type of

1204
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,960
thing where it's mostly vendors and

1205
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:36,720
booths and stuff like that

1206
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,160
um and the people are extremely weird

1207
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,359
and that is one field too where it's way

1208
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,920
it's very slimy like half the people

1209
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,000
that i think are vendors don't really

1210
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,760
believe in what they're selling they're

1211
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,520
just trying to sell the craziest thing

1212
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,640
to people

1213
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,520
that's impossible yeah snake oil people

1214
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,480
totally so it's it's a really strange

1215
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,599
environment but uh early in the morning

1216
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:03,839
like very early we were like maybe one

1217
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,280
of the a huge room of vendors huge and

1218
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,000
there was maybe me and maybe five other

1219
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,440
vendors out of 200 that were there even

1220
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,839
getting ready um and this is like you

1221
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,839
know the show's gonna start in half an

1222
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,720
hour

1223
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,160
um

1224
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,480
and this guy comes you know to our table

1225
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,640
he's looking at my magazines

1226
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,119
and i'm kind of you know i see that he

1227
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,680
has this long shirt on and billy corgan

1228
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,839
always wears those long shirts um kind

1229
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,839
of an asian kind of inspired type of

1230
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,200
style i think

1231
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,520
and uh he was with his kid

1232
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,520
and i looked at him and i was like are

1233
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,000
you and he said yeah so

1234
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,440
uh yeah i just talked to him i was like

1235
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,040
are you into the topic and he's like

1236
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,119
yeah totally uh

1237
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,800
at the time you know i was all excited

1238
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,880
because i had been talking to tom delong

1239
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,560
about all the stuff that he was doing

1240
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,400
and i was like yeah you know tom belongs

1241
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,000
really into this

1242
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,920
and yeah he was like oh yeah this is all

1243
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,440
real

1244
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,760
you know a lot of stuff's being hidden

1245
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,319
that kind of thing and yeah so we talked

1246
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,280
for a minute or so and then he went on

1247
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,119
he was like maybe they let him in early

1248
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,599
or something i think um so he could walk

1249
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,240
around unadulterated but uh yeah that

1250
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,079
was super cool that was really really

1251
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,720
cool yeah it's great to see the the you

1252
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,440
know so-called stars or famous people

1253
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,119
come out and talk about this as well

1254
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,280
yeah and their experiences i know

1255
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,680
billy cyrus and miley cyrus have come

1256
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,520
out and said they've had experiences and

1257
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,520
stuff like that as well so and it just

1258
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,440
gives more credibility and you know for

1259
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:35,040
everybody out there that's still skeptic

1260
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,079
on it that

1261
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,359
a lot of people are seeing this

1262
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,400
including people that you watch on tv or

1263
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,240
listen to on the radio or whatever right

1264
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,640
so yeah it gives it it's starting to

1265
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,640
boom a lot more but do you think because

1266
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,760
you were mentioning about all these

1267
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,599
different organizations you got nasa the

1268
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,400
scientific coalition and the galileo

1269
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,599
project do you think they're going to

1270
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,200
step on each other's toes do you think

1271
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,359
there's going to be an amalgam

1272
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,359
amalgamate or like you know they're

1273
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,800
going to get together at some point and

1274
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:03,359
just form a big organization uh do you

1275
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,480
think they're going to work well

1276
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,560
together at this point

1277
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,160
i think that

1278
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,720
so far it seems like everybody's very

1279
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,880
open right and one of the great things

1280
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,599
about what's going on now is

1281
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,640
the scu is kind of in the middle of it

1282
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,240
like we've been doing this first of all

1283
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:21,520
our board

1284
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,480
um

1285
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,160
the majority of us have been doing this

1286
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,040
stuff for decades some for many decades

1287
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,040
so we've got a lot of experience in this

1288
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,880
topic we know a lot of different people

1289
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,119
and the serious people doing stuff

1290
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,319
and uh so we're the perfect place to go

1291
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,079
to um

1292
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,440
network

1293
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,040
and that's you know we serve that

1294
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,880
purpose very well even with some

1295
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,560
government agencies at our last

1296
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,760
conference

1297
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,720
um

1298
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,880
and we're continuing to do that so

1299
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,560
that's what's really exciting is we get

1300
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,359
to play a role in connecting everybody

1301
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,040
i i don't think there'll be one big

1302
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,880
recognization and i'm not sure there

1303
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,119
should be and the reason why

1304
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,640
is that there's varying levels of um

1305
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,319
scrutiny

1306
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,079
it's kind of like in media like the new

1307
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,079
york times is the highest they

1308
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:10,319
triple check everything uh you have to

1309
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,359
have

1310
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,280
i don't even think they take anonymous

1311
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,119
witnesses at all

1312
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,560
so you know they have the highest level

1313
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,119
of scrutiny in in the media nasa for

1314
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:22,000
example would be that and and it is in

1315
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,920
space you know i think the european

1316
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,440
space agency

1317
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,800
um had

1318
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:28,800
come to the conclusion that there was

1319
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:31,760
water signatures on mars a year before

1320
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,480
nasa confirmed it they had the same data

1321
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,319
it's just nasa has a higher level of

1322
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,359
scrutiny that their their bar is set

1323
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,520
very high so that's the same for these

1324
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:43,920
organizations galileo has a different

1325
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,680
one than the scu does the nasa does um

1326
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,440
every it's

1327
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,680
because of you know who we represent and

1328
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:54,160
work with but it's also

1329
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,119
um

1330
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,160
reputation and just how

1331
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,880
much scrutiny we think it needs to meet

1332
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,440
um for an seu for example ours would

1333
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,319
probably be one of the lowest um which

1334
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,720
isn't bad we're closer to the work

1335
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,480
so we want to come out of the gate and

1336
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,200
say hey we think we've made a discovery

1337
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,119
we want to be respectable enough and i

1338
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,680
think we are at this point to

1339
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,079
have other organizations look at it and

1340
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,400
see what they think and beat it up right

1341
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,319
um but at least take it seriously and

1342
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,520
start to

1343
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,599
investigate whatever this discovery is

1344
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,920
or something along those lines so that's

1345
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,400
that's i think

1346
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,319
the way that we can all work together

1347
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,400
kind of still maintain kind of separate

1348
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,040
organizations um but yeah you kind of

1349
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,640
have a latter effect because hopefully

1350
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,720
there'll be other organizations like us

1351
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,880
let's say uapx um

1352
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,960
disagrees with our findings the scu says

1353
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,880
well we're not you know sure about that

1354
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,280
conclusion and you have px feels more

1355
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:53,280
comfortable they have a relationship

1356
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:56,559
with nasa and they get it to nasa or to

1357
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,240
galileo um galileo works on it and they

1358
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,079
agree with uapx you know and then it

1359
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,160
moves up the ladder that way it's better

1360
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,079
when you have more involvement so that

1361
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,960
it can come from all these directions

1362
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,040
and do you think that our organizations

1363
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,119
like mufon and all that is that going to

1364
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:15,440
be pretty much obsolete because we have

1365
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,480
these big players now they're coming out

1366
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,880
big names big uh you know scientists so

1367
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,800
do you think that's sort of going to be

1368
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,920
just

1369
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,040
something that's going to die out

1370
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,040
eventually or is you think it's still

1371
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,800
going to be going strong

1372
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,240
even though we have these big hitters

1373
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,440
now taking care of the the data

1374
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,000
well i mean i think you know scu a lot

1375
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,160
of us come from mufon and we still

1376
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,000
appreciate move on and what they do and

1377
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,839
they definitely still have a big role

1378
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,480
right now because they're the largest

1379
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,559
ufo reporting center

1380
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:49,200
out there um by far

1381
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,640
and so that's a lot of data coming in

1382
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,480
and that's what everybody wants and

1383
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,800
needs right now is data to work off of

1384
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,040
to figure something out about this stuff

1385
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,040
so that's the rule they currently play

1386
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,880
and what makes them important

1387
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,240
um

1388
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,160
and it'll be up to them to see how they

1389
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,400
move beyond that i think it would be a

1390
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:10,640
smart move that if they just focus on

1391
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,440
that

1392
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,119
you know just the process of having

1393
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,359
investigators out there getting reports

1394
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,079
and get and you know um having those

1395
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,240
reports available for government

1396
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,400
agencies and the public and scientific

1397
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,559
agencies you know everybody that would

1398
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,920
be the most important thing they could

1399
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,760
do and they should just they it would be

1400
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,000
wise of them to focus and get that down

1401
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,920
before they kind of start to do other

1402
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,599
things but um

1403
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,200
yeah so we'll see what happens with that

1404
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,720
but that makes them a big deal um

1405
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,559
and similar to kind of what we want to

1406
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,200
do with the enigma labs where we want to

1407
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:44,800
take reports

1408
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:47,920
and we want to analyze those reports and

1409
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,480
have them in databases that

1410
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,280
researchers can then also analyze that

1411
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,440
data so that's a big thing that we're

1412
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,440
doing is that end and that's the main

1413
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:59,280
thing and the big thing that we're doing

1414
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,000
is

1415
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,000
collecting data making it available

1416
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,839
first via app to the public for

1417
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,280
everybody to

1418
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:07,680
peruse and

1419
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,440
also then to make that data book um

1420
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,200
available

1421
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,119
on the technology side you know all of

1422
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,520
those requirements so other researchers

1423
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:19,280
can make their own applications and

1424
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,319
everything to

1425
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:23,200
crunch the data as well nice louis do

1426
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,559
you have any final questions for our

1427
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,160
guests yeah where can people uh learn

1428
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,760
more about you alejandro or follow some

1429
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,520
of your current projects

1430
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,079
yeah so i the social media the only

1431
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,720
social media i'm really on is uh twitter

1432
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:36,960
so you can see me there at alejandro t

1433
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,760
rojas and then

1434
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,760
that's a good way otherwise i still run

1435
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,079
the website openminds.tv

1436
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,160
it's essentially archival at this point

1437
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,240
because i'm not adding anything there

1438
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,440
but we've got dozens and hundreds

1439
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,240
thousands of articles on there that were

1440
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,160
written over a period of a decade by a

1441
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,400
lot of great writers so um

1442
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,400
a lot of data in there for people to get

1443
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:02,960
into to learn stuff so

1444
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,480
uh you can find me there and then uh you

1445
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,200
know enigma labs we're kind of not

1446
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,960
totally out there yet but we're going to

1447
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,319
be sharing more and more information

1448
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,680
with people

1449
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,559
i've been developing a uap library of

1450
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,359
articles about lots of different topics

1451
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,359
that i think is way more comprehensive

1452
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,760
and unbiased than like what you'll find

1453
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,680
on wikipedia or something so i'm

1454
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,760
extremely excited about getting that out

1455
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,760
because we've got a lot of great writers

1456
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,599
and articles in there and we're hoping

1457
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,280
to get that kind of information on our

1458
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,920
website um fairly soon so in the next

1459
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,160
couple months so we're going to slowly

1460
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,640
be rolling stuff out here um

1461
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:43,200
and i'm it's it's just a super exciting

1462
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,480
time because all of these groups are

1463
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,160
working together and it's a lot of

1464
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,880
intelligent people that are

1465
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:51,200
cognizant of the issues

1466
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,160
um

1467
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,559
to working in this field but also

1468
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,480
working with government agencies and all

1469
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,559
this kind of these disparate groups with

1470
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,640
their different interests um

1471
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,720
and so i think everybody's pretty wise

1472
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,480
about working around that and doing what

1473
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,880
they can for whatever they're focused on

1474
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,599
and

1475
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,920
um that's really exciting because i

1476
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,760
think there's a lot of information that

1477
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:13,760
it's going to be good and solid and

1478
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,559
extremely interesting coming out

1479
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,559
in the next few months and years

1480
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,400
yeah it is definitely an exciting time

1481
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,079
and we were very excited to have you on

1482
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,079
today's show thank you for taking time

1483
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,599
out of your busy day

1484
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,520
again you're one of the big name guys we

1485
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,200
like to always refer to that we're proud

1486
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,280
to have on the show and it means a lot

1487
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,119
when you you know we don't pay you to

1488
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,359
come on here and you're not paying us to

1489
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,280
share your opinion so

1490
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,680
to do this on a sunday i'm sure you have

1491
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,760
other things you'd rather be doing but

1492
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,520
you know your dedication to the movement

1493
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,760
is warranted uh you we consider you a

1494
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,920
big player in this and uh we're super

1495
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,200
happy that you agreed to come on our

1496
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,720
show so thank you for that thank you

1497
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,599
very much

1498
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,520
hopefully we have you back one day

1499
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:55,760
thanks and one more plug ufocongress.com

1500
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,720
definitely check that out imc it so go

1501
00:54:01,109 --> 00:54:00,319
buy a ticket and come out it's a lot of

1502
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,119
fun

1503
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,119
well done aleando rojas thank you so

1504
00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:04,880
much for being on the podcast today